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They are letting him be on the team, no guarantees if he'll play or not. Doesn't seem unfair to me.

After begging him to stay away for 2 weeks, attempting to pay him to stay retirted, publicly inviting him back as a backup with no chance to compete, saying today that they would be open to trading him to the Vikings...

Would you trust them for a fair shake?

If he shows up and competes, he wins the competition. Bottom line and no chance he loses.

They are just morons.

He is 39.

He was also pretty bad the two previous years. In '05 he threw 29 picks and lost 7 fumbles. In '06 he threw 18 picks and lost 5 fumbles. Rating of 72.7. Last year surprised everybody but it would surprise me even more if he came anywhere close to last year.

Nobody knows if he's stayed in proper shape this offseason. They drafted two QBs because of the way he's strung them along. He's annoying. Fuck him.

Favre needs to just come in, shut-up, and play well, and then everything will work itself out.

He'll light it up in practice and pre-season, and every teammember, fan, and reporter will constantly be on Thompson and McCarthy to find out why he's not starting.

or

He'll suck in practice while Rodgers shines, and it will become painfully apparent that he should have stayed retired because Rodgers is the better option.

Let your play do the talking, Country Boy.

Farve is definitely being annoying, I won't dispute that. He's clearly the better QB, assuming that he's still in game shape (which I expect he would be).

I hope they have a realistic competition.

After reading this, it appears as though Favre is being somewhat cool about the situation:

"Mike told me, hey, we're a better team with you on it but wanted to know if I have a problem with an open competition," Favre said. "I don't have a problem with competing -- you know that, but Aaron should be the starter right now because he's been out here all this time. This is more than about an open competition and I can do that, absolutely, but this is going to be mass confusion and that's not good for this team.

"I'll practice my butt off, if it comes to that, and I think we all know what the end result will be, but this probably isn't going to work. And I truly understand that if I was in Mike's shoes, I'd see it basically the same way he sees it, I'm sure. And I think if he was in my shoes, he'd see it my way. I think we both agree on that.

linc

Favre asked to come back a month ago...why didn't they just let him come back at that point? If you were Favre, you'd trust they were going to give you equal time with the first unit? Because if he gets that, he wins.

That's why I don't think Favre is being a whiny bitch (annoying in general, maybe).

The Packers couldn't have fucked this situation up worse if they tried.

I also can't believe anyone in their right mind would believe Favre, even at 38, isn't a better player than Rodgers. Rodgers with 1 career TD, 1 career INT, and 3 career fumbles. 0 career starts and left 2 games due to injury out of a career than spans 59 pass attempts.

That's the guy who is so amazing, you've got to make a first ballot hall of famer coming off a 12 win season play for a starting job in the preseason with teh 2nd string?

And Favre is being a bitch? Soudns like the Packers are being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn to me.

I agree the Packers have screwed up the situation but this all could have been easily avoided if he wasn't such a bitch. Favre is the one who has made his waffling on retirement a public spectacle for about 5 consecutive years. I can't remember any other major superstar vacilating on a retirement decision for this long without at least taking one year off and THEN coming back. He made it official and then changed his mind a couple months later. That is bitch-like. If he wants to play, then fucking play. Spare us, your team, and your employer, the freakin drama.

Favre asked to come back a month ago...why didn't they just let him come back at that point?

Because I believe everything that's gone on has been partially a result of Favre changing his mind on them at the last minute in March when they were ready to go against their plans and bring him back for one more year.

I do agree that they should do something now, because having Favre compete and not somehow be the starter (at least according to the fans) only furthers muddying the waters.

If you were Favre, you'd trust they were going to give you equal time with the first unit?

Favre is not in a position to demand trust. That's what happens when you fuck people over.

That's what happens when you fuck people over.

So close to a Big Lebowski quote.

Favre is not in a position to demand trust. That's what happens when you fuck people over.

ORLY??????

Favre's salary is $12 million dollars this year and they have to pay it whether he's starting or a backup. On top of that, they get to listen to 60K boo every time Rodgers throws an interception and potentially get lynched if the Packers start off 0-2 with Rodgers at the helm.

Beyond that, Favre is completely and utterly beloved in Green Bay. McCarthy has neutral fan support and Ted Thompson is hated. If Favre wanted to amke this worse, he could make this much, much, much, much worse for both of them.

Favre holds all the cards here, IMO, and they are extremely lucky he has chosen not to play them yet.

Seems like he wants everyone to be trustworthy except himself. He takes waffling to a whole new level.

However, I will say that if Thompson has ANY confidence at all, he should trade Favre to the Vikings or Bears and then whoop his ass twice.

Honestly, you seem like one of those "Favre Haters". There's a whole bunch of them out there, mostly haters because they feel like too many parts of the media jerked him off for far too long.

I can't even see your point of view at all, other than the fact that it would have been easier for the Packers front office if he decided to never play again.

I also can't believe anyone in their right mind would believe Favre, even at 38, isn't a better player than Rodgers. Rodgers with 1 career TD, 1 career INT, and 3 career fumbles. 0 career starts and left 2 games due to injury out of a career than spans 59 pass attempts.

That's the guy who is so amazing, you've got to make a first ballot hall of famer coming off a 12 win season play for a starting job in the preseason with teh 2nd string?

Favre might clearly be a better player than Rodgers right now, this season. But, that doesn't necessarily mean that he gives the team a better chance of winning a championship in the next 3 years.

Favre's recent playoff performances speak for themselves. I think it's entirely plausible that the Packers FO has decided that Favre just doesn't have what it takes to win in the playoffs anymore and that they're better off developing Rodgers or Brohm for the next few years, while the supporting cast is still young.

Incidentally, I don't think I'm a Favre "hater" (except when he lines up against the Eagles). I think he's gotten too much attention over the last three seasons, but I have no problem tuning it out.

Um...who really gives a shit. It seems like the virus known as the Cardinals FO is infiltrating the league with stupid stances built entirely on stubborness and has gotten to Green Bay. This is being made into something that really isn't big. I can see the visceral reaction since I essentially know little about anything this summer on training camps since its ALL Favre All the time. But he doesn't make those fools talk about him all the time. They do. They followed TO to his driveway to watch him do situps forfuckssake.

Everyone acts like principles really mean something in this league. Screw that. You think Jerry Jones and the Cowboys gave a shit that they hired a mercenary in Deion Sanders to win a SB? Nope. Do you think the Gints gave a shit that they shafted Simms after Hostetler won the SB? Nope. He did alot for that team, but there is no loyalty. Al Davis' motto is truly the embodiment of the sentiments of the league, "just win baby". Does anyone give a shit about who juices up? In cycling doping "ruined" the Tour. In the NFL it isn't an issue.

Basically, if Favre wins for me today, he plays for me today. If Rodgers wins tomorrow for me, Favre is out and Rodgers is in. I don't give a shit about his whininess, the fans will hang him for that. I just want an effing ring if I'm an owner.

Trotter = Trader (from fans perspective)

That's the same kind of idiocy that captapulted the Birds back into mediocrity when TO could no longer be tolerated. Too much estrogen in the air on this one.

hey, i have learned that favre is reinstated, and that he and the pack arent inviting oneanother to eachothers pampered chef parties, bad vibe between the two.

i have learned...

Um...who really gives a shit. It seems like the virus known as the Cardinals FO is infiltrating the league with stupid stances built entirely on stubborness and has gotten to Green Bay...

Was this a response to a particular post or a commentary on the whole mess, in general?

McCarthy says that Favre's mindset wasn't the correct one (as far as getting over what's happened and getting ready to play), so McCarthy's moving on.

"We agreed to disagree"

So Favre's not going to play for the Packers anymore. And there's talk of him being traded to Tampa (a report says it's done, but Jay Glazer says it's not definite) and the Jets (where Favre reportedly doesn't want to go).

So much for the QB competition.

Stuff cited from ESPN Radio, e-spin, etc.

LOL AT PCKRS!

Being the idiot that I am, what's to prevent the Bucs from aquiring Favre (for say a 2nd & 5th)and then trading him to the Vikings (for a 2nd & 3rd)?

Is there a minimum time you must keep a traded for player before he can put back on the trading block?

I don't think there is anything stopping them from a move like that. However, I think most GMs do their best to avoid burning bridges and that would be a seriously torched bridge.

Maybe Rex Grossman can replace Garcia?

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