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Simple:
Post the exact scenario you WANT to unfold, include trading up, tradin down, sittin pat at 19, movin the pick for a player etc if you still believe its possible-- and give the name,pos. of the guy ya want.

Then with dashed hopes more than likely, post what you believe they WILL do.


I WANT them to stay put at 19, and select Safety Kenny Phillips outta the U. Dawkins clearly at the end of the line. We're not really even sure if he can play at a high level THIS yr upcoming, and his departure in 2009 is all but a certainty.

I think this is a great yr to hold a middlish pick. No need to move up. ESPECIALLY if it causes one to burn the much discussed "Lito Card".

If they feel they need to move up and secure Phillips, or more likely a lineman- I'll be ticked if it involves Sheppard. Give 1 of those 10 other picks up.




I THINK that they're hell bent on moving up. I think they'll do so to insure themselves an OT. I'll go with Williams for the puroses of this excercise.

Im afraid that they'll burn the Sheppard card, but I won't go that far with the actual prediction.

They'll move up and draft an OT.

The scenario I would like to see is for them to take the best cb/s/ol available at 19, trade lito for a 2nd round pick and use their 2 2nd rounders to acquire whatever position they didn't get in round 1. On day 2, they should draft for depth on both lines, acquire a RB to compete for playing time, draft another wr and find a kick return specialist.

What I think they will do, is package their 19 pick and Lito to get into the top 10 and they will grab Clady.

In round 2, they'll more than likely take someone who can play secondary.

I hope Banner, Heckert, Reid, etc can find a 2nd rounder for Lito--in this draft being at 19, isn't that much worse than being at 10-plus there will still be alot of talent in round 2.

I Think...

They'll trade Lito and their first round pick to take Chris Williams or Brandon Albert.

I Wish...

They'd refrain from trading up at all, take the best available CB/S/ or possibly WR/OT, trade Lito for a second rounder, and maybe even try to get back into the second round again for a third pick there using their 3rd round selection and some other meat. Moving one of those seconds for a desirable veteran WR would be awesome, but it looks almost impossible.


Dark Horse...

I don't know why I think this, but I wonder if they'll deal Todd Herremans? They seem to like Jean Gilles, they could seemingly replace him without too much trouble if they still view him as a guard long term, and he could be almost as valuable as Lito to some teams.

I wish they'd move him to RT when Runyan retires and leave him there, where I think he'd be excellent.

I can't believe, Seth, that you would advocate taking a Safety in the 1st round. Honestly find that shocking.

I think they draft offensive line in the first round. They prize OL more than almost any position and see a need to get talent in there before turning the offense over to the next QB.

I don't see the Safety pick in the first because they seem to find guys who can fill the roles in later rounds or in camp. I'm just not sure replacing Dawkins is as critical as it may seem.

If there's a serious run on OTs in the first, I could see the Eagles going CB or even DE. With the number of OTs projected as first rounders and history as a guide, the possibility exists for a Ray Lewis type defensive player to fall into their lap.

They'll trade Lito and their first round pick to take Chris Williams or Brandon Albert.

Do you think they could trade up high enough to get Albert? I haven't seen any draft with him dropping below ten. The kid's got great upside.

FD- Id love them to move Herremans- theyve talked about that exact scenario out on a board called FOOTBALLFORUMS.COM since March, between Eagles and Bills fans.

Since then, its gotten some play in the Buffalo forums. They (Their fans) would openly welcome him being a part of any package, (smart- as I agree that a solid RT is as valuable as a top flight CB, or close).

NCSaintsfan-

This guys blowin up everyone's rankings fast, and he'll likely be gone in the top ten.

BUT- if they're burnig the Sheppard card, with the 19th? They should be able to get just at or inside the top 10, and its not like they dont have TONS of other picks with which to work out a combo.

Glenn- why so shocked??

I like Phillips a lot, and there's a need.

Not gettin ya/?

As long as the pick results in Seth charging towards the TV in excitement (or disappointment/anger), a la the Bunkley selection in 2006, I'm OK with it.

I want Kenny Phillips and I'm expecting a trade up for an OL. Ugh.

Do you think they could trade up high enough to get Albert? I haven't seen any draft with him dropping below ten. The kid's got great upside.

I'd rather someone else gambled on that "upside", but I'm sure his "versatility" will give FB a boner.

How anyone could take a Guard and project him to LT in the top 10 picks (above 2 or 3 other real LTs) is beyond me. I think (but don't know) Albert is the classic case of the grass always being greener.

You watch Otah's career at LT and you can pick him apart enough that you believe he'd be better as a RT, but you see a guy play his entire career (minus 2 games) at LG and you think he's a top 10 pick on the blindside at tackle?

I call bullshit.

And when I say "you" I mean the collection of scouts and experts out there.

Take the Devin Thomas at 19 (what I'd like), great size and speed. Add LJ Smith, Avant and there are some pretty big targets for Supa 5 in the end zone. Now if he could just keep the ball above midget knee level.

I'd be fine with Phillips at 19.

Would love to bundle a 2 and 3 to get another late first round pick. Don't know if its feasible. FD, your insight into the matter is greatly appreciated.

I'll preface this by readily admitting that I didn't watch much college football this year, and I don't really scour over the mock drafts and analysis like everyone else.

WHAT I WANT

1) Stay put in the first round and if he falls, like some predict, take WR Devin Thomas.

Why Devin Thomas? I'll freely say that I don't think I've ever seen a single play this cat has made, so why go with him? Well, for one, I'm sitting behind a desk at a computer and I'm not responsible for the fate of the franchise, so I don't feel the need to do any extraneous research. Here's what I like about Devin Thomas: He's got good size and quickness, he caught a ton of passes in his one season of contributing, and he can be a very effective returner.

More importantly, neither Chad Johnson nor Roy Williams are coming via trade. The price is too high for a whackjob like Johnson (whom Cinci doesn't want to trade), and Millen isn't dealing Williams unless he can get 7 more wide receivers in return. So far, they've made it clear that they're effectively leaving McNabb to rot while trying to play with Westbrook and a cast of B-teamers...just like every other year except for the one year they went to the Super Bowl. If they don't give McNabb any help, there's no reason to think the offense will improve, so I think Thomas could catch some passes (although not too many in the genius' impossible-to-grasp offense) but could really help the offense by giving them great field position as a returner.

2) Take any one of the leftover tackles in the second round. This team has always (somewhat stupidly) prided itself on pulling players from nowhere and has had success (in their own terms) with this philosophy on the offensive line, so why is there a need to reach for a tackle up high when you have a draft that stocked with quality tackles?

After that, please package and trade some of those 8 million 2nd day picks for high slots in future drafts. These guys aren't making the team anyway, so if you're clever, you could keep doing this every year and work your way up to higher picks.

Tell Lito "You can play under your contract that you willingly signed and improve your trade value by having a great year, or you can sit out for the rest of your career. No one wants to trade for you because they don't think you're durable. We agree, and that's why we went after Samuel. Does that make you pissed? Well, then prove us and the league wrong. We have two great corners without you, so we'll let you sit if you want, but if you play, you'll be part of one of the greatest secondaries in history." They have the leverage, not him, so it's up to him to play or make no money. Frankly, he should just play because he's going to get hurt and take off most of the season and still get paid anyway.

Under this scenario, Sheldon can move to safety if Dawkins needs to be spelled.


WHAT I SADLY THINK WILL HAPPEN

1) They trade Lito in the conference (Reid and Heckert are really pissed that there's no division rival with a higher pick they can trade him to), probably to New Orleans at 10, where they will go for a tackle, probably Clady, who will blow out an MCL after replacing an injured Tre Thomas, and then we'll get to hear all about how great jack-of-all-trades Scott Young is. New Orleans will subsequently beat the Eagles in the wild card round of the playoffs thanks to Lito's game-sealing interception return for a TD and a key block setup by Jeff Otah (picked at 19) on a TD run.

2) In the second round, they pick a WR who will never contribute.

3) They trade a 4th rounder for a 5th and two 6ths in 2009 and the other 4th rounder gets packaged with this year's 5th for a 3rd rounder next year.

No one contributes from this draft class, but Spuds effervescently glows about the bright future.

McNabb seethes in anger; Reno Mahe dances with delight. Somewhere a young girl in South Philly also gets excited when Chickie and Pete's calls her in for the now vacant hostess position.

The sky also falls, the market crashes, and Iran starts a nuclear war.

Talon,

I think you are on to something...

Here is what I would like to see happen:

Andy Reid and Tom Hekart decide to ride to the draft together, get lost, and fail to show up for the first three rounds.

Which means, the Eagles will stay put and take either an OT or the S Phillips, BUT.....

If the Eagles trade Lito before there first pick, and Cromartie is still there I think they take him.

I would like to see Lito and a 2nd rounder go for R. Williams, but hey, we can all wish.

I do think with their first three picks it will go: OT, S and CB. Look for the Eagles to try to move back into the second or third round after they trade their original pick away.
If they get a second, they go OT
If they get a third, they go WR

As for Jules's question about a 2 and a 3 for another #1....

No shot.

None.

Dont care what chart youre using. And im not rippin you- its a natural thought.

Despite the 1st rd seeing picks at the top lessened in some teams eyes due to what you have to pay the players, it doesnt really effect the back end of the 1st, which is where you're guessin they could slide up into with their 2nd and their third...

If they moved Lito for a 2nd, and hold 2 seconds, MAYBE if the 1 they obtained for sheppard is high enuff, it could get em into rd 1 again, in the back portion.

I honestly think thats not the best call-

Draft Phillips at 19.

Get another 2nd for Sheppard.

With 2 seconds- you can address an offensive lineman and even a WR (I think there's some value there). If they passed on a Safety in rd 1 and go OT- there's DEFINATE depth at S in rd 2, especially if they have 2.

At this pt. its best to move Lito for a pick rather than package him in a move up.

As for the question- no, you arent gettin into rd 1 again by givin up your 2nd and third rounders.

Im not FD, maybe he'll have a dif. take, but Ive been followin this shiat for years and feel I know what im talkin bout.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that the Eagles like either Clady or Williams.

Right now, the eagles have 2 guys playing guard that they can project at RT-Herremans and Andrews. The staff seems high on Jean-Gilles, so it is conceivable that Herremans could shift over to RT at some point if they want to keep the big kid at RG. The big question mark, IMO is LT.

Otah has experience playing LT, but might be better suited to play RT. Maxwell is a guard--I don't care what anyone says. When a kid plays his entire collegiate career as an interior o-lineman, you can't just "project" him to play a much more difficult position against far superior talent--it doesn't work that way.

So now that Jake Long has been inked, that leaves 2 legit LT prospects for the 1st round---Clady and Williams. All of the teams know this and anyone with a need at LT knows this.

The 12,13,14 picks are Denver, Carolina and Chicago all of whom need help at Tackle. My guess is if no trades happen, the only T left at pick 15 will be Gosder Cherilus from BC who is a RT prospect.

Right now, I can see New Orleans sitting there at #10, just waiting for a trade offer for Sheppard plus the Eagles 19th overall. They need CB help in a bad way, and if they get Lito and still have a pick at 19, they could really improve themselves as a team and the Eagles get to choose whomever T they like at 10.

If a trade does not go down and the Eagles stay put at 19, it would be a reach to get Cherilus, plus they aleady have a few guys "penciled" in to play RT after Runyan leaves. If this happens, I could see them taking Phillips (a stretch at 19, IMO) or another CB (which would make it really hard to trade Lito).

I'm not really wild about any of these scenarios. Maybe they will shock us all and take someone out of left field like Felix Jones.

Hi Folks, it's been a long time. My scenario is a little off the wall but, Trade McNabb to Baltimore for the #8 pick and their third round. Or Atlanta's #3 pick (even better). Use that #3 or #8 pick to land Boldin from Arizona or Williams from Detriot if possible. If not grab one of those stud OT. Get a high to mid second for Lito (1st round if possible). Use the #19 to get Kenny Phillips to groom as replacement for Dawkins. Use the other picks for the best available WR, KR/PR, RB, OT, TE. Special teams is a glaring need that must be addressed. I think Kolb should be ready if he's got the weapons. OK folks, let the bullets fly.

Whoa! Where the hell have you BEEN?

By the way, I don't care for your dream scenario a bit. But it's great that youre back.


Nova, yes- those two, and add Otah in that mix.

For anyone talking trade, the 2 possible value charts are in the draft thread and the Eagles current picks are:

Round 1
19 (875 points)

Round 2
48 (410 points)

Round 3
80 (190 points)

Round 4
115 (64 points)

Round 4
131 (compensatory...can't be traded)

Round 5
152 (30.6 points)

Round 6
184 and 191 (17.8 and 15 points)

Round 6
200 and 2003 (compensatory...can't be traded)

Round 7
230 (not on the value chart...I'm dead serious. 224 is worth 2 points, so this is somewhere between zero and negative 1).
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I'll use the old chart for some trade scenarios, but here are some realistic general ideas:

Scenario 1 T
rading both 6th round picks to get back into the 5th round.

Scenario 2
Believe it or not, the Eagles 2nd round pick and their 3rd round pick are high enough this year that the combo would be enough to potentially get them back into the first round. It would be the very bottom of the round (30, 31, 32), but it would be doable. I'm not recommending this course of action because I don't want to lose a third round pick to move back up (Unless Lito is dealt for an extra second), but a team to look for is the Chargers. The chargers do not need a thing in this draft but depth. They are sitting at #27 and don't pick again until the 5th round. They might be eager to trade back to into the second round to pick up a 3rd and 4th or 3rd and 5th. They've also done business with the Eagles before.

It all comes down to the teams and whether or not they'd like to move, but the points line up so it's theoretically possible. The Eagles got the #37 pick (2nd), #87 (3rd), and #159 (5th) picks last year for giving up the 26th overall selection to the Cowboys, so right there is a snapshot of what the Chargers would expect for their selection.

Scenario 3
Their 3rd, 4th, and 5th picks could be traded to move back into the bottom of the second round.

Scenario 4
A trade up in the first. Their first and second round picks can get them to about #10 or #11 overall using the old chart. They could pretty much have their pick of the tackles (minus Long) and CBs at that spot.

Scenario 5
Jumping up in the 2nd is also possible using the 4th round pick. They could probably move up about 10 spots using the 4th round chip to do so if they see someone they liked slipping and want to nab him at the top of the second (like they did with Justice in 2006).


I'm not recommending any o these course of action right now...just laying out what's theoretically possible.

I've been working, traveling, etc. I told you it was off the wall

The 2 chart thing is going to complicate matters- teams will point to whichever chart at a particular time in talks durin the draft are more advantageous to them--- no team moreso than your beloved "Iggles".

I think the plan to get acceptance on the 2nd chart either got off the ground too late, or was met with more hesitancy anticipated and for the purposes of working out anything come draft day- it needs to be shelved or at least tabled til next yr.

If Philly goes in with their chart and tries to get stuff done, less likely they'll be able to.

And every year, guys on that Site AE used to link annually featuring the chart (established, older chart, not the 'new Coke' chart) would come up with trades that could happen by simply adding up point values of picks and as you see every year, doesnt shake out.

No team holds firm to "Well i think we should take it cos the points match up".

a 1st round pick is still a 1st rd pick in most team's minds (unless you bail on it, grab a QB for 3 yrs down the road and send that No.1 to The Boys-- im kiddin of course).

Philly would NOT find a suitor for any of the last three picks in the draft for the combo outlined in Jules' question above.
Its as much about a feel for how it works as it is considering things like the chart.

That said, I agree that I wouldnt want to get back up there.

I do anticipate that 1 of the last 3 teams in round 1 WILL move back to 1 of the handful of teams atop rd2, all wanting a QB.

I would not be shocked IN THE LEAST if Flacco goes at the bottom of rd.1 to one of those teams all bunched up, worried on losing out to a team near them in the rd.

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