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11/13/2009 3:06 PM
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I've done a complete 180 on Ocho Cinco (should be Ochenta Y Cinco):
1) Set aside a 'fine fund'.
2) Matches the amount of the fine and gives half to feedthechildren and hillview.
3) Won't be deterred by fineage.
Personally, I thought the $1 was funny.
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TheTalon
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11/15/2009 2:41 PM
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Today's a great day to have access to the Sunday Ticket. Every game is within one score at the half, with the exception of Miami and Tampa Bay, which is still not outta reach for Tampa.
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11/15/2009 11:35 PM
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Belicheck has got some brass balls going for it right there.
That is crazy.
Both these teams would mop the floor with the Eagles.
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11/15/2009 11:43 PM
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Belichek is a fool going for it. a fool.
Belichek = FOOL
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11/15/2009 11:49 PM
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As bad as that call was, I'd still choose Belichek over Reid 11 times over 10.
And Manning is so far above McNabb that it's not even funny. THAT'S a comeback, not that willy-nilly crap where the other team lets you back in and you pad your stats with empty yards (though I'm happy he did, for my fantasy team).
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TheTalon
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11/15/2009 11:50 PM
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As my roommate said, "Belichek goes for it on 4th down-and-2 from his own 30 yard line, and Reid is afraid to go for it from 4th-and-1 on the goal line."
Of course, Reid watches the game tonight and says, "See? You should never go for it on 4th down. This validates my system."
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TheTalon
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11/15/2009 11:50 PM
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bass, what's an "empty yard"?
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11/15/2009 11:58 PM
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Defense was letting them run back and forth after they went up 28-9. You would think that if you throw for close to 500 yards, that you'd have more than 2 TDs.
Of course, having 29 rushing yards and putting everything on McNabb isn't exactly fair, either.
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11/16/2009 12:58 AM
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McNabb played like shit for much of the afternoon, but when they let him call his own plays in the 4th quarter, the offense did a helluva lot better than that garbage Reid and Mornhinweg dialed up earlier in the day. Yes, it helped that SD was in a prevent defense, but they plays were still lightyears beyond what was called earlier.
Any time a QB throws for more than 400 yards he usually loses the game, and today was no exception.
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TheTalon
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11/16/2009 1:00 AM
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By the way, Mark Sanchez really needs to learn how to stop being a total douche. For a guy who's team just lost a game that they had no business losing, he sure does a lot of congratulating and praising his teammates and himself.
Watch from 2:27 until about 4:30: linc
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11/16/2009 10:03 AM
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Maybe McNabb can read defenses. We already know the MULE sucks at play calling.
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11/16/2009 10:04 AM
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Makes me think back to all those cover 0s and wondering if McNabb was too afraid to audible cuz the Mule would get mad and eat his lunch for a week while making him watch.
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11/16/2009 10:04 PM
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Ravens looking real good against the Browns. 0-0 at the half.
Yeesh
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11/16/2009 10:09 PM
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BTW, Bud Adams was fined $250k for flipping the bird at the Bills sideline.
Didn't help that the commish was in the stands (allegedly) when he was doing it. He was in the box with Bud before that, though.
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11/16/2009 10:36 PM
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No Fun League, for sure.
Premium bird work there. He mixed it up really well before the grand finale.
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11/17/2009 10:33 AM
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Belichek is a fool going for it. a fool.
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Wrong. Even though the 4th and 2 play failed, Belichick demonstrated his evolutionary superiority over the majority of humanity and showed why he is the greatest coach in the history of the game. It was obviously the correct call, but we shouldn't be surprised that so many talking heads, etc. have a hard time understanding why.
There are evolutionary reasons why humans are piss poor at calculating certain kinds of risk. Kluge: The Haphazard Construction of the Human Mind by Gary Marcus is a great book if you want to learn more about the exact reasons why.
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11/17/2009 11:41 AM
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Is that a convoluted way of saying Bellicheck is really a republican?
As for rapid human calculation/assessment, I can assure you that it isn't that they are piss poor. Lots of things you do everyday include those subtle risk judgments. How close a moving car is before you cross the street...numerous surgical decisions intra-operatively....think of the number of times a driver makes those judgments. For all the times people take risk, they are usually sound or "get away with it".
Bellicheck is an ass. His choice was made while viewing the vista of his own rectum while smelling his soon to be farts and telling us they were vanilla-scented.
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BMA
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11/17/2009 12:09 PM
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Humans have difficulty thinking through risk assessment when things aren't linear or when there are two or more variables involved.
All of the butt sniffing stuff aside, it was the correct call because it offered the better odds of winning the game. It isn't even close. The the odds of the Colts scoring a TD in a 2 minute drill with 4 downs from the 30 is only marginally more likely than a score with them starting from 40 yards further. Is this marginal difference worth losing at least a 50% chance that the Colts don't even get the ball in the first place and a sure victory? Of course not.
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11/17/2009 12:10 PM
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What do you think of just going for two after evry TD?
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I'd go for 2 every time in the lower levels of football and even in high school, depending on the kicker, because at those levels the kicking is hit or miss. College or NFL, it depends on the score and game momentum.
For example, I'd go for 2 after a long TD drive every time against a tired defense or if the offense is just lighting the other team's tits up.
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So, in your mind, how many variables were there to that call, BMA? Other than, can our defense stop the Colts moving the ball 70 yards vs 30 yards if we don't make the first down? Essentially 1 variable maybe 2 if you stretch it. It is also very linear.
And, you'd be surprised at how much humans do by guesstimation rather than accurate calculations. Pilots come to mind, those guys make plenty of micro-calculations all the time. We are creatures of pattern recognition. The ability to incorporate those patterns into our schemata of understanding form the basis for our ability to judge risk quickly EVEN in non-linear, multi-variable situations.
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11/17/2009 12:25 PM
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Cleveland has scored 5 offensive TDs in the past 15 games. Wow
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Regarding the Pats, I definitely would have punted there. I do see the logic in going for it and they damn near converted, however.
I'll also back BMA in this sense. Punting there is the chalk move and that's a free pass for Bellichick. If they lose after punting, some may blame the offense for not being able to run the clock out and some may blame the defense for getting steamrolled. What he did was make what he thought was the most prudent choice based on what he was seeing with his eyes and he knew it would rest 100% on his shoulders if it went south.
Most coaches would not have the balls to make that choice and while he didn't win, it's those TYPES of calls that have separated him from average game day coaches like Andy Reid over the years.
I mean, let's keep it real. If the coach is just holding a clipboard with mathematical percentages on it to decide when to go for 2, when to go for it on 4th, when to punt, etc. you could hire someone out of the stands to work the sidelines on Sunday.
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You could argue either way - but if he felt his defense was tired and he knew that Manning getting the ball means loss, then going for it isn't a bad idea, especially if your offense was running up and down the field, anyway.
In any event, that play didn't lose them the game. Two opportunities for points (and Maroney's killer fumble in the end zone) lost them the game. Without those two plays, we're not even discussing 4th and 2.
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11/17/2009 12:47 PM
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Shoulda punted
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