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11/19/2009 11:56 AM




Another take on the Pats/Colts game.
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f-dallas

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11/19/2009 12:29 PM




Yet another reason Childress made the right call with Favre. Regardless of what happens, he might have bought himself another $20 million or so PERSONALLY for getting him out of retirement. Had the Vikes played below "expectations" this season, he most likely would have been fired, IMO.




bassiladelph

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11/19/2009 12:49 PM




Yeah, yeah. He got lucky. He should go to Vegas.

In other less-sarcastic news, JaMarcus Russell has FINALLY been benched in favor of Bruce Gradkowski. He's the worst starting QB since Spergeon Wynn, but it's that much more annoying that this fool could put 'beat the Philadelphia Eagles' on his resume.




I Hate Shaun Young

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11/19/2009 5:53 PM




Shades of Ryan Leaf - who won four games TOTAL his entire career - beating the Birds in 1998.




f-dallas

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11/22/2009 4:01 PM




The 1 pm finishes today are outstanding. NFL Redzone is amazing...can't say it enough.




f-dallas

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11/22/2009 4:04 PM




I'd also say about 1/3 of the Giants fans took off early thinking that one was over.




BrotherIggle

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11/22/2009 4:55 PM




Chiefs game was great... Tuned out the Cowboys/Skins and switched over to the last 3 mins of regulation and the OT.




bassiladelph

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11/23/2009 11:25 AM




I know Mangini's probably going to get canned at the end of the year in favor of the Walrus, but how on earth do you lose a game like that? He should be fired almost immediately.

Don't normally like calling for people's jobs, but that PI at the end was just stupid on a ton of levels, not to mention that the ball wouldn't have made it to the receiver had they just played straight.

And the CB's excuse was that since he saw Stafford outside the pocket, the push was legal. It wasn't legal, and it wasn't necessary. Just a stupid, stupid play.




TheTalon

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11/23/2009 11:40 AM




By the way, as we’re busy anointing Minnesota as a contender, has anyone noticed that they have yet to beat a good team?

Their biggest win was over Baltimore, who is at .500

Their loss was to Pittsburgh, a team that is playing a slight notch above mediocre.

They don’t actually play a good team until the second-to-last week of the season, when they take on Cincinnati. Granted, after yesterday’s loss to Oakland, they’re no great shakes, either. The whole damn league is like a giant pile of mediocrity.

Minnesota will go into the playoffs completely untested, and they will be upset. I have a hunch they won’t make it to the NFC championship.

There are only three elite teams right now—New Orleans, Indianapolis, and New England. If New Orleans beats New England next Monday, Nola becomes the favorite to win it all. Otherwise, this is Indy’s thing to lose.

And yes, I can certainly see the Eagles getting their asses kicked all over the field in an NFC Championship in New Orleans. The rest of the conference is so crappy that they’re practically laying down for the Eagles to march into New Orleans…and fail miserably.




bassiladelph

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11/23/2009 11:49 AM




By the way, as we’re busy anointing Minnesota as a contender, has anyone noticed that they have yet to beat a good team?

Pittsburgh was pretty hot, and even then it took help from the refs and Favre to beat them.

Without busting on f-d's boy (shut it, f-d), the Vikings have the easiest road to the playoffs, with the only real bad game in Chicago in December. Sure you could point out the Cards and Bengals, but the Bengals (who I think are better than their showing in Oakland) they'll play at home.

They could conceivably grab the #1 spot b/c any loss by NO (and I think they lose against Atlanta) kills them because of conference tiebreaker.

I think they will make it to the NFC title game, but, barring injury, New Orleans is just better than everyone in the NFC.




Jules_Jr

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11/23/2009 2:49 PM




Talon, the Steelers recent crappy run is largely from them missing Polamalu. He plays a ridiculously huge role for that team. He did play against Minny.

As for Baltimore, they are a solid team that is just "a little off". They almost beat the Colts and really should have. They lost that game more than the Colts beat them.

So, I wouldn't anoint the Vikes anything. But, I do think they are a solid, competitive team. I'd love to see a match up with them and NO. That pass rush against Drew Brees....on the flip side, I think they'd have a serious edge against the Saints' defense.

Deep down, I think the most dangerous team are the Pats.

As for the steaming pile of mediocrity, that may be true, but there really have been some great games this year even games that I wouldn't give a poop particle under normal circumstances.

If there is any team that is fradulent, I think its the Bengals.




f-dallas

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11/23/2009 2:51 PM




The Vikes have had a pretty easy road thus far, but that's the league this season. Not everyone has had it quite as easy as the Vikes, but they've played the Packers twice, Ravens, and Steelers. That's a tougher slate than the 6-4 Eagles have had, for instance.

Other than the Saints and Vikes, I don't think there are any really good teams in the NFC right now...just a bunch of pretenders who look different every week. The Vikes could roll through the playoffs or lose in their first game, though. Neither would surprise me.

Even the Saints...have they impressed anyone in the past month? They've fallen behind every team they've played and dug themselves back out, but what happens when they catch a team like the Pats, Colts, or even Vikes that might be able to score with them? They've picked up some nasty habits over the last few games that leave me thinking they are beatable.




TheTalon

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11/23/2009 3:05 PM




Talon, the Steelers recent crappy run is largely from them missing Polamalu. He plays a ridiculously huge role for that team. He did play against Minny.

Any of my friends who are Steelers fans have a laundry list of valid complaints about that team. Living in da ‘Burgh, I’m sure you must be hearing this stuff, too. Polamalu doesn’t play offense, and he certainly doesn’t play on their offensive line, which is a disaster. There are quite a few people who’d like to burn Bruce Arians alive right now. Jeff Reed also hasn’t won many fans.




bassiladelph

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11/23/2009 3:58 PM




They've picked up some nasty habits over the last few games that leave me thinking they are beatable.

Maybe, but I don't think they're good enough to blow teams out from game to game. Their D is more opportunistic than lockdown, and they're aided by the offense being able to score points and make the opposing team one-dimensional. I think they're still the best in the NFC, and they'll get their first true test next week. I have more concerns about AP being able to go because if he goes down, so do they.




f-dallas

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11/23/2009 4:13 PM




Maybe, but I don't think they're good enough to blow teams out from game to game. Their D is more opportunistic than lockdown, and they're aided by the offense being able to score points and make the opposing team one-dimensional. I think they're still the best in the NFC, and they'll get their first true test next week. I have more concerns about AP being able to go because if he goes down, so do they.

I definitely still see the Saints as the creme of the crop in the conference.

With the Vikes, I'd disagree slightly with your assessment on Peterson. He's a beast and the best back in the league, but I think Favre is more important to that team than Peterson right now.

I think Chester Taylor is a back you can win with and Tavaris Jackson is a QB you cannot win with, essentially. Losing Peterson would be a tremendous blow and losing either would probably seal their fate, but I think it's easier to replace a running back and they have a much, much better backup RB than QB.




bassiladelph

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11/23/2009 4:34 PM




BTW, to add on to the pile of the 'Boy did WE overrate Roy Williams' crowd:

Roy Williams short-armed so many passes against the Redskins Sunday, Fox actually ran a lowlights package of his afternoon. (That's more embarrassing than getting pantsed.)

Lurking in the foreground of Williams' weak efforts was Redskins safety LaRon Landry. Asked what he thought about Williams by the Redskins website, Landry said the Cowboys receiver looked "scared."

"Yeah. I know he was. Y'all can quote it, too," Landry said Monday. "Y'all can tell him right now, tell him I'm sayin' it. I can say it right now: yeah, he was scared, I think. I told him he was scared."

Williams' reaction to Landry wasn't shocking. He had none. He didn't have any catches in the game either. Cowboys offensive coordinator may not want to bother sending Williams over the middle any more.

"Certain routes he ran, you could tell he didn't want any part of it," Landry said.


That's HILARIOUS.




f-dallas

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11/23/2009 4:49 PM




Ouch. That's about as bad as you can get ripped in by another player in the NFL and they play them again, right?




Jules_Jr

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11/23/2009 11:59 PM




Talon,

I've watched many a game for the Steelers (some reluctantly) and attended the Cincy/Steelers game. I think the offense wasn't the overall problem, so much as finishing drives. What I'm saying is that they have problems, BUT, they are a strong team that could get it in gear - maybe not now after Ben AND Batch got injured.

Reed is a douche.




Jules_Jr

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11/24/2009 12:22 AM




PS, how many informed Steelers fans do you know? I lived here during the times when they weren't sure whether to clamor for Tomczak or Kordell Stewart.




TheTalon

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11/24/2009 9:01 AM




Change the QB names and you're talking about 70% of the Eagles fanbase.




NotoriousEAG

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11/24/2009 9:14 AM




But Eagles fans are so knowledgeable




Jules_Jr

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11/24/2009 10:00 AM




But you are talking 85% of the Steelers fan base. Which means that the Birds are net 15% AHEAD. Or by Lurie's brute force rearranging of statistics, that means the Eagles fan base is 200% ahead considering 30% are KPL compared to the Beagles' 15%.

What the hell am I talking about? I need sleep.




f-dallas

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11/24/2009 11:38 AM




But Eagles fans are so knowledgeable

I don't know it for a fact, but my guess is most of the northern legacy teams have about the same level of KPL on average and they are all much higher than the warm weather/relatively recent expansion teams.




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11/24/2009 3:23 PM




Not sure if it got burried here but on the radio coming in one of the guys was talking about how thrilled folks are to see the Spread Offense being run by Tenn with Vince Young and how effective of a turnaround they've had with that, comparing it to Miami with the Wildcat. Talking that over with a coworker made me think that if drastically different offenses get included in the league, especailly when the system is so specialized and focused on at the college level, that the different look and lack of reps against that style of offense could be a factor in how effective teams can run against it.

For example, WCO and Pro-Set style of offenses are still very similar with the run and pass formations coming from the QB taking a snap, a dropback/handoff etc. The Spread and Wildcat offenses seem to work a bit differently and this can force defensive coordinators to have to train their teams to prepare for drastically different situations rather than what they see week to week.

Personally I enjoy the diversity but I wonder if this is just a phase or if we'll see it for years to come.




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11/24/2009 4:22 PM




More teams are using the Wildcat, but it's allowing their team to mold it to their liking, which might give it legs for a while. Given enough time, though, DCs will be able to plan against it and shut it down. We'll have to wait and see if it's a fad, but it's the perfect offense for Tebow.

And let's not forget one of the main reasons why the Titans have come back from the dead - their defense is finally OK now. Sure, VY just winz gamz, but their defense has gotten a lot better.




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