f-dallas

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2/1/2010 12:09 PM




Which begs the Q - is he a HOFer? When he's been on, he's been great, but he had some down years with the Giants. Would he be considered a lock for Canton?

I don't know if he's a lock, but I think he's a solid "in". He had the Super Bowl. He had the MVP. He just needed to do it a little longer to prove he didn't just fall into a great 4 year run.




NotoriousEAG

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2/1/2010 12:09 PM




Has anyone ever actually watched the Pro Bowl for more than a few plays?




NotoriousEAG

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2/1/2010 12:10 PM




He is absolutely a HOFer. He went to 3 Superbowls (winning one) with two awful, awful franchises.




f-dallas

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2/1/2010 12:10 PM




Looks like it's going to be a sign and trade for Vince Wilfork. He'd be a great pickup if Philly is smart enough to go after him.

I'm confused...they've never had sign and trades in the NFL because of the cap and I can't imagine they'll start now.




f-dallas

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2/1/2010 12:11 PM




Has anyone ever actually watched the Pro Bowl for more than a few plays?

I did when I was a kid. Yesterday, it was just on in the background and I saw a couple plays. Mostly, I saw the short Desean Jackson TD and McNabb's first series or two.




flesh4fantasy

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2/1/2010 12:13 PM




f-d, what's a hospital ball?

neag, i honestly don't think i've ever watched a single pro-bowl snap in my life.




NotoriousEAG

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2/1/2010 12:15 PM




A hospital ball is when the QB hangs you out to dry




f-dallas

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2/1/2010 12:17 PM




f-d, what's a hospital ball?

Throwing a ball that's going to put your receiver into a position to get killed. More often than not, it's a high ball over the middle of leading a receiver too much over the middle (setting up a safety or LB for a monster open shot at your guy).




flesh4fantasy

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2/1/2010 12:18 PM




ah, yes, thank you both.




BMA

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2/1/2010 12:37 PM




Sorry, fd. I mean tagged and traded, likely to an NFC team.




f-dallas

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2/1/2010 12:41 PM




Ah...that makes sense. I thought maybe you read something about sign and trades being talked about now that the NFL won't have a cap this year or something.




LyteInc

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2/1/2010 1:04 PM




Well, restricted players are near tagged as it is. They can offer the player X dollars to play, and most teams won't come near that because they have to give up picks to touch the guy. Instead of giving up picks, a team could sign and trade the player to another team for an existing player instead of a pick.

I'm not saying it's worth it for teams to do it, but if you have a veteran player that can't hold his job against a young talent, a sign and trade of the vet to a team that can use a starter at that role, in addition to a player that the team would want as well for that price would make sense. Both teams get rid of players they aren't looking to keep, and the team getting the restricted player doesn't lose picks, the team giving up the restricted player gets a known value instead of the chance at a draft bust.

Depending on the players involved, I can see this happening. It wouldn't have happened before because moving a player in a trade involves holding onto some of their signing bonus against the cap, so trades would be harder to engineer, especially for higher priced talent. Some teams looking to move high dollar contracts could move players this year this way without having to worry about that kind of penalty.




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2/1/2010 1:26 PM




Yes, but you have to wait until the cap is gone




Jules_Jr

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2/1/2010 2:57 PM




I wonder what the cap-less market would mean for the Eagles. They didn't even spend up to the cap limit.....can't imagine how they'd low ball everyone without a cap and wind up being the Pittsburgh Pirates of football.




f-dallas

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2/1/2010 3:31 PM




No cap will hurt the Eagles if it lasts. Once the Giants get in their new stadium, the Eagles will be the lowest revenue team in the division with the fewest seats to sell. Put that together with their "compete, but don't sell out" philosophy...could mean big talent disadvantages.




LyteInc

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2/1/2010 3:33 PM




I was thinking that too Jules, it's the point where I can really see the team screw up. They've been forced to spend up to the min for years, and now they don't need to. Cutting 'expensive' talent on the team for 'diamonds in the rough' could make the team fall out of competition if they wanted to go that way. Really tanking the team that way could end up then breaking the revenue stream they love and cause some shake up in the organization.

Still, as long as the only thing Lurie cares about is money over dollars, they will never push the limits on what they can do as long as they make a profit. They are like the Hardies/Carl's of Football teams.




LyteInc

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2/1/2010 3:54 PM




Looks like Peppers won't come back to Carolina, and will be an unrestricted FA. At 30, that goes against what the team usually pushes for, but he could end up being one of those powerful forces the defense needs, and become the most impactful force on the defense since Reggie White.

That said, the Gold Standard is likely not going to make a move like that, and I'm guessing DC and NE will be at the forefront with the dollars to try to lure him in.




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2/2/2010 4:21 PM




Bad moon rising if the season is uncapped. I remember how much media/fan-wide pressure before the FO finally resigned a player (Dawk) who was 30 at a reasonable contract. They are notorious for low balling and rarely getting into bidding wars for players that could help them. For whatever reason, they did push hard for Assante Samuels.




LyteInc

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2/2/2010 5:58 PM




Can you imagine how bad the defense would have been without AS? Sure, he let a few get away, and missed a few tackles, but if Sheldon Brown was the 'shut down corner' they had, man...




KeithByars

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2/4/2010 12:25 PM




Eagles hired Phil Savage as draft consultant




f-dallas

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2/4/2010 12:35 PM




He was great on the Wonder Years.




KeithByars

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2/4/2010 12:38 PM




you could call his time in cleveland "the blunder years"!




f-dallas

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2/4/2010 12:46 PM




NTF! Yes, because he blundered!

Kinda funny how it worked out, though. Heckert goes to Cleveland and Savage ends up in Philly.




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2/4/2010 12:48 PM




Remind me who Savage is




f-dallas

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2/4/2010 1:02 PM




He was one of the big shots in Baltimore when they were killing drafts and was hired as the GM of the Browns a few years ago, where he blew virtually every pick they made.

I think he also had a meltdown when he started returning emails from angry fans and cursed at them, but that might have been someone else.




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