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Dude, I think D-Jax is goin to have his clock thoroughly CLEANED at least 1x this season.


He doesn't exactly make himself the kinda guy a Safety or someone wouldnt really love to crush either, with some of his showboating in other teams stadiums.

Oh I agree he has a target, but I'm thinking he'll transition into a role similar to what Rice did during his career. The dude never seemed to get creamed when he played, and even though Rice played at 4+ inches taller than DJax, I think they'll play about the same level. Rice wasn't really a power WR either.

*has a target on him

DE-CLEATED.

Rice also had good coaching. So expect D-Jackedup to get hurt b/c Reid thought it was a good idea to go right in front of that safety.

Dude, you're posts anymore have this WIP-ISH slant to them almost exclusively.

Its like you'll insert a rip or dig at the F.O., Reid or anything, sometimes at the expense of really makin sense.


Remember bro-

"For entertainment purposes only"

Dont become one of those dopes.

A slant route is a slant route is a slant route.

Whether its Reid, Shannahan or that Bitch Fassel callin the play.

The fact is, the team brought in new conditioning people, along with new staff that can help prevent injuries to DJax down the way when he does get picked up by a Safety that has a good angle on him to provide aforementioned de-cleating.

Perhaps I am alone here, but I think the coaching staff upgraded tremendously. Will that translate into wins? I sure expect it to do so.

So now "they" are saying the police in GA wanted to interview another woman about Big Ben in completely unrelated accusations. Supposedly, a friend (or the sister of a friend) of this other woman told police that Ben had made unwanted sexual advances against the woman. They couldn't track her down...or, she didn't want to talk. Either way, this man is a complete slimeball. It's likely he'd be considered a sexual offender already if he was in any other line of business.

I'm predicting Ben gets a full year out of the league.

And, I'm looking to contribute to a Castrate Big Ben Fund.

Ben, most people would turn you away
I don't listen to a word they say
They don't see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I'm sure they'd think again
If they had a friend like Ben
(A friend)
Like Ben
(Like Ben)
Like Ben

I'm predicting Ben gets a full year out of the league.

A year? Seriously? Jones got a year for the following actions over the corse of his early career:

Assault
Felony Vandalism
Lack of contact with his PA
Assault #2
Obstruction of Justice
Marijuana Possession
Assault #3
Whatever you want to consider the shooting incident in the Vegas nightclub.

This was all before the suspension. After the suspension on April 10th, 2007, he had a bunch of things come up as well.

This was a person that was charged with multiple assault charges, associating with persons who fire guns in nightclubs, drug posession and various other acts of not desiring to position himself as an athelete.

Now, I'm not discounting Ben's alleged crimes. In fact, if he is serial rapist hiding behind his fame, that's pretty bad as well. However, Ben has still not been charged with a crime, only been investigated as such. He will only get a suspension based on what they can prove he has done to tarnish the image of the NFL, and if he gets a year I'll be extremely shocked, unless he gets officially charged with rape.

I hear ya Lyte. I'm just thinking that Goodell has got to fear the "where there's smoke, there's fire" scenario with a potential serial rapist.

I wouldn't be surprised to see another victim or two come forward in the coming weeks as his case gets more press.

Oh, and by the way, the police officer who took the girl's deposition has resigned. He admitted to making disparaging comments about the accuser in the presence of Ben's entourage. This has miscarriage of justice written all over it.

The fact that Ben met with Goodell, and they seem to be having productive talks, leads me to believe that he realizes that he has to keep his head from swinging, or Goodell will.

That said, sharks come out when there's blood in the water and I'd bet about half of the cases that come up will be earnest accusers, while the others will be willing to get a few grand to shut up. Shit like this makes me disgusted to be a human being, but it's not like it hasn't happened before.

I figure 2 games if nothing new materilizes, 4 games if stuff gets out of hand. No appeal from Ben, so it'll happen from the gate. That said, I think Ben has a better chance of being traded than getting a year suspension.

Roethlisberger = womanizer = thinks he's playboy

Dumb azz intoxicated stupid/college broads = easy targets for dip stick

Animal House on the tube everyday....

I'm not sure he's a "rapist". But he definitely sounds like he has a drinking problem and is an all-around ass-douche.

Obviously, I'm not sure he's a rapist either. But I don't think that's what you mean.

Take as given that we can only know he's a rapist after the fact. Now suppose we are trying to predict if he is. I'm saying, he looks a lot like what I expect a rapist to look like before we establish said person is in fact a rapist. In other words, what more information/innuendo/suggestion would we need before we can say "he looks a lot like a rapist" without being able to say "oh yeah, he's definitely a rapist"?

I'm saying that I expect gooddell is thinking along this line exactly right now.

Jules, pardon the professorial tone; no slight is intended.

Here's what I'm saying, by way of analogy. Take the case of this creep in San Diego. He stuck his hand down the pants of a 14 year-old and subsequently was sentenced to five years in prison. He serves his time and gets out. Now he is the leading (only) suspect in two murder-rapes of young girls in the last two years.

It's pretty clear that circa-2001 during the itchy fingers episode that we couldn't conclusively say "now this guy's a rapist." It's also pretty clear that circa-2010, we certainly can.

Now not all adults who stick their fingers down the pants of a pre-pube teen are rapists. That's also clear. (If they were, then we would have been able to conclusively say "now this guy's a rapist" based only on the first incident.)

The question I'm posing is what more could John Gardner have done for us to say "This guy really looks like a rapist" without us being able to say "now this guy's a rapist"?

I submit that this is the same inferential problem facing the Big Ben case. I don't think there's enough fire to say he's definitely a rapist on the basis of what's currently been revealed. But I also don't think there's room for any more smoke. He's used up all the leeway he has between looking like a rapist and being believed to be a rapist.

If Goodell lets him off and one more report surfaces, I think it will be abundantly obvious that he is in fact a rapist. I don't think the league can or will risk the chance they let him go relatively unpunished.

To LyteInc:

How is it that guys can sum up in a simple sentence or two the same point of view that it takes a woman a novel and a sequel to accomplish?

That's what I meant, somewhere buried in all that blabbering above...what you said about civil liberties and tooth brushing and lack of evidence and such...YES, I agree!!

To Bud White:

I did post a pic. When I first ventured into this mine field about 1 1/2 years ago. A very Wickedly Witchy pic. I spent about a month defending accusations that it wasn't actually me. So I won't be doing THAT again!

The trade talk is too deep for me...I'll leave that to you experts, and I honestly mean that, no sarcasm, that's a compliment.

I'd bet about half of the cases that come up will be earnest accusers, while the others will be willing to get a few grand to shut up. Shit like this makes me disgusted to be a human being, but it's not like it hasn't happened before.

lyte, which half makes you disgusted to be a human being?

Ben is NOT a rapist...he is a moronic, arrogant ass who may be guilty of coercing and manipulating a reluctant (even if drunken and a bit naive) young woman into having sex against her better judgment, but NOT against her will.

I mean do you think that? REALLY think that? Rapist? Really? Or is this extreme allegation simply meant to stimulate debate?

She did not resist. She did not say "no" or "stop". She did not scream. There was no plea for help. There was none of Ben's bloody skin under her finger nails, nor did he display bite marks or a groin injury or any other signs of resistance. She was NOT bound, gagged or unconscious. She was not 2 year or 10 or even 14. She was 20 years old and was well aware of her actions, including the drinking. Yes, she had second thoughts, but she had sex anyway. That is NOT rape. If it was, we'd all be in jail serving life sentences for poor judgment and regretful hindsight.

I do think Ben deserves a chance to demonstrate a willingness and commitment to change his behavior. Especially since he wasn’t charged. Suspend him, fine him and/or get him a shrink. Do whatever it takes to make it clear to him that THIS IS IT. Change your behavior or face unemployment. Period.

I do think Ben deserves a chance to demonstrate a willingness and commitment to change his behavior. Especially since he wasn’t charged.

he was certainly charged. and the only cop who interviewed the girl has resigned for unprofessional conduct related to the investigation.

How is it that guys can sum up in a simple sentence or two the same point of view that it takes a woman a novel and a sequel to accomplish?

That's funny, my wife tells me to shut up because I'm rambling all the time.

"this other woman told police that Ben had made unwanted sexual advances against the woman"

unwanted sexual advances against the woman = trying to buy a braod a drink

unwanted sexual advances against the woman + $$$ = call a lawyer (after the cops)

I thought there was genital bruising and other injuries like that in this case.

I mean do you think that? REALLY think that? Rapist? Really? Or is this extreme allegation simply meant to stimulate debate?

Ummm...the allegations aren't being made by us. They are being made by people he's had sex with and law enforcement officers.

At the end of the day, I think he's just a drunk, rich asshole who likes to bang drunk co-eds.

As often happens, though, the events of these drunken evenings seem to get much, much more clear in retrospect.

This woman, for example, seems very sure she was raped now, but when she talked to the cops minutes after the alleged incident:

At about 2 a.m., the alleged victim and several of her friends left the club and approached a police officer outside, according to Lubatti. He radioed Sgt. Jerry Blash, who approached on foot.

According to Blash's case summary, "he asked [the alleged victim] if Roethlisberger had raped her and she stated, 'No, I did not know what was going on,' because she was intoxicated so much."

The summary said, "Blash indicated that he asked the victim, 'Did he rape you?', and the victim stated 'no.' Blash asked the victim if they had sex, and she responded by saying, 'Well, I'm not sure.'

And

According to Officer Jason Lopez, the woman told him that the alleged rape occurred as she was seated on the toilet in the bathroom, that the athlete did not use a condom and she did not know whether he ejaculated.

The alleged victim was taken to Oconee Regional Medical Center, where a sexual assault kit was completed. Officials reported they were not able to obtain enough genetic material to pursue an identification.


This is more out of curiosity, but how does someone get raped while sitting on a toilet?

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