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I just think there are probably much better players on other teams' practice squads and late camp cuts. Guys that have played in the last couple years and have knees

That's my point in asking who else was out there. Guys who might have a chance at defending a sweep play.

I get the intangibles part (which is why I suggested coach and not player).

Right, the argument is cirular, b/c you say he needs to play to be a leader, Seth says what if he's in on first and second down, bass and I say there are probably better players out there, Seth says it's for depth

I remember that Trotter was great on special teams, not just good.

With Patterson hurt, he might make a difference on special teams. Plus Daisher said that if a player can't eliminate mistakes after repeated changes than you have to have player movement. I remember see'ing Trotter beat at middle linebacker in his last season, where you are going to need burst off those knees. I don't know if the knee situation is more of a deal or less of a deal on special teams.

And then in a pinch or on a rotational basis he can add some depth to middle linebacker. In general, the coaches have indicated that middle linebacker has to be someone who knows the defense and can call it. Wouldn't that pretty much eliminate most of the other candidates mentioned in this thread?

I am pretty sure I heard Ike Reese push for Trotter's signing.

I don't buy the leadership angle too much. Only because I've never heard a coach say it's important. But I do buy the playcalling angle, which I suppose you could say is leadership. In the playcalling role he probably would get people in position and chew them out when they aren't doing what they are supposed to.

I would think they are thinking of bringing him in for something if they are working him out.

This just in:
The Philadelphia Eagles today, out of the goodness of their hearts, with plenty of time on their hands, and in order to get other teams interested in the player, brought in Jeremiah Trotter to work him out.

Or this:
Jeremiah Trotter, currently retired, called the Philadelphia Eagles and argued that his knees are now better, and that he thinks he could help the team, given the lack of depth currently on the roster. The Eagles didn't think that it would pan out but agreed to give him a chance to show that he still is in good enough shape to play.

Maybe they'll hire him to replace Shuey because....I don't know....he's actually played Linebacker at the College level and above.



Plus, the new Marketing Intern doesn't get the donuts with sprinkles that Andy likes.

I don't get it. I love Trotter, but I don't think h can lead unless he can play (well) and I think those days are over.

He's essentially been out of football for 2 years and he was cut two years ago for not being as good as Gaither, who was promptly replaced by Bradley.

Maybe he could play in goal line D, but I don't even think that would work.

I don't buy the leadership angle too much. Only because I've never heard a coach say it's important. But I do buy the playcalling angle, which I suppose you could say is leadership. In the playcalling role he probably would get people in position and chew them out when they aren't doing what they are supposed to.

A coach won't readily admit it's important because they need to portray the image that the buck stops with them. Even still, teams have leaders that are recognized by the team but not necessarily trumpeted to the media by the HC. Every HC needs someone among the players to back him up, a peer to hold them acocuntable for mistakes, or someone to circle the wagons with. That's why I'm not against Trot coming back, but in a capacity where his diminished skill set wouldn't dilute his message. If you think that his coming back in a playing capacity can make a sustained difference, without looking elsewhere, that speaks to me of desperation (IMO).

You could either have a guy who knows the plays but can't execute, or get a waivee who can somewhat execute but doesn't know the plays. Can't have it both ways with Trot.

And I thought that Mikell was the signal-caller for a time (could be wrong).

Wolfboy was on the Danny Bonadouchey show this morning saying at the earliest Trotter could be in midnight green would be after the bye week.

McNabb back after bye week, Garcia gone, Trotter or perhaps Runyan in.

I'd be ok with the signing, IF they were to do it, basicly Trot is told you're area is from T to T we'll cover everything outside... His knees could probable handle it, they shifted the D to help cover Dawks slow down...

I agree IF they sign him it wouldn't sign him unless Mays goes on IR or when they cut Garcia, but IMO it's be a good signing... who knows maybe they try some of the 3 4 they used a while back that made Gocong look like an all pro...

Miss me some Fie fo, loved how he hits. Seth's right on that aspect, Philly brings him in on running downs, take him out on passing/blitzing plays and he'll be just fine. Sure, he may have lost a step but if his knees are healthy after a year off, he'd be worth a shot at getting in there at least this year while Bradley's done.

For all intents and purposes, he hasn't played in 3 years. If teams see him coming onto the field, they will call an audible and throw to him

How about Herschel Walker for short yardage situations?

EAG, have you watched any recent film on Trotter?

I tried to, but the only footage of him was on BetaMax

He had problems with his knees in 2007 after playing through preseason and 3 games with Tampa, and sat out 2008. It's 2009. Where do you get three years from that?

Sure, if the guy is in shape, a veteran of about 10 NFL years should know how to get in shape, he could be worked in on special teams and short yardage. I'd love to see him at least come in as a Linebacker Asst coach or something. Guy knows the system better than most folks do.

He hasn't been out 3 years, but the reality is the guy has played about 3 football games since January 2007.

That's almost 3 calendar years and not a lot of work for someone who hasn't played over that period of time because all 32 teams (including this one) said he was washed up.

Not trying to kill him, but hey...his body gave out on him.

I think he's only 32 years old right now, which is shocking. If you put a gun to my head and I couldn't check, I would have guessed 35.

The question was his knees. If he's healthy and can cut on them without folding like a house of cards, he'd be better than some.

Gaither moved in to replace him because Trotter hit 30 years old and had slowed down some. FB had drafted a bunch of LB's and wanted to give them a shot, and they were physically out performing him on the field. Trotter left because of that.

2007 was about his knees. 2008 was because no one wanted a 31 year old MLB with bad knees the previous year. Sure, his last real game was in 1/2007, but he did go through preseason healthy with the Eagles that year, until he broke down in Tampa. Worse case he's a Jim Thome type of vet that gets on the young guys but only plays a few downs a game when you need a guy that can hit. Short yardage, goal line style smash football, this guy can play better than most in that situation, if he's healthy.

Maybe they can put him in the wildcat too.

Vick is so crazy talented, right? Sounds perfect for a new starting LB.

Feralcat defense.

He's already said his knees are shot, he's said it multiple times since joining 610. When teams see him coming in for short yardage, they'll throw or run to the sides.

Which is what they were doing his 2nd time here.

I keep thinking back to the Colts game where they were sweeping left and right all game and they couldn't stop it. Would've been uglier had not the offense been able to somewhat keep up.

kb, your smart and all, but i think mcdermott and the birds are aware of the possibility of that occurring.

now, if I CAN DRAW UP plausible schemes to hide trotter in the event of that happening, i think they can.

you can drop a down lineman into the short zone as trotter smashes his gap up the middle to get in qbs face.
you can slide a db up, you likely would have em playin in 'middy depth' anyway, at least one if we're talking short yrdg, and if you're worried about the underneath stuff, you can disguise coverages so that its covered, again, using trotter to essentially get to the qb.

straight ahead, point a to pt b is not as tough to do if your worried bout knees etc.

kb, im not tryin to bust out the heavy smarmtillary here, just sayin, your repeated scenario is not 1 that should/does likely affect the teams decision on trotter.

if he sees action on short ydg? "trotter- do what you do, smash the gap and get there in ahurry.

if its a run- and we 'guessed' right and sent you to the right hole- mission accomplished.
dont worry about 'behind you, we got that covered. if its a pass, same deal brother- get there and get them hands up as soon as you see dude pull ball up by his ribcage. have fun. now get in there"

So if it's all a matter of being able to just draw up plays where he can get free, they could get a guy that can do that and provide more adequate depth. He's not depth, if Gaither goes down, they're worse off with Trotter as the next line of defense than with a guy that has played recently and has knees left

And, btw, those same scenarios you drew up are what he sucked at when he was still an active player, they really don't make me feel better about the possibility of him coming back

Given the choice between having Trotter or Runyan on the roster I'd rather see Big Ol' Jon Runyan.

The O line needs help and if Supah 5 goes down again this season is over.

agree w. you section.

and kb- that would be patently incorrect. now, dont have a corronary- he never sucked at 'go!'.

he sucked and sucked royally, chasing a reginald bush kardashian to the corner in a somewhat important game a few winters ago.

look, do you think that reid and mcdermott know whether or not he's got anything left? in all their years here, blaine bishop and levon kirkland were the only 2 guys they signed that come to mind quick, that they signed that had zip left in the tank.

and kirkland was about 45 pounds over his best playing weight from his days wreaking havoc in the steel city.

if they sign him, then he's got enuff left worth a signing.
at least to sign.

but i agree, id like to see runyan here- oddly enuff, for all the same reasons the trotter deal would make sense if they deemed him fit to sign- the depth, intangibles, attytood and leadership.

i just think this team needs offensive linemen more than linebackers- always had, always will, to do what they schematically wanna do.

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