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FD, you're right. I defended 5 for years to the racist assholes and clueless (Football) idiots that I dealt with. I could handle the goofiness, I could handle the wormburners, I could even handle his medling 'rents.

But I drew the line at his Passive/Agressive attacks on everyone from his teamates (inexcusable), to the press (who cares) to the the fans (why?). He seemed to blame everyone without coming right out and saying "Oh Woe is Me". According to 5, he was responsible for nothing but the wins.

I'm guessing Donnie gets some cheers at the start of the game when he's announced, after he gets sacked the first time and at the end of the game if the Eagles win. If the Eagles lose, the fans will have bigger targets to boo.

So I've been thinking on something that folks had brought up that Jacksonville would have typically been a trap game for the Eagles. I'm starting to think it wasn't a situation that the Eagles were in a trap game, but moreso that McNabb was in a trap game. With another QB at the helm, the pressures/distractions with such a game disappear.

Looking at previous 'trap games', where the Eagles go on the road against apparently weaker AFC teams they probably don't have a lot of tape on, and McNabb's peformance in said games:

2009, Oakland. 66.3QBR, 22 for 46 269 yards, 5.8ypp. Eagles lose 13-9.

2008, Cincy. 50.9QBR 28 for 58 339 yards, 5.8ypp 1TD, 3INT Eagles tie 13-13

2007, NYJ. 85.2QBR 22 for 35 278yards 7.9ypp 1TD 1INT. Eagles win 16-9.

2006, Houston (start of the season). 113.3QBR 24 for 35 314yards 9.0ypp 3TD 1INT. Eagles win opener 24-10.

(skipping 2005 as both KC and Denver had 10+ wins)

2004, Cleveland. 114.1QBR 28 for 43 376yards 8.7ypp 4TD 1INT Eagles win 34-31.

2003, Buffalo. 78.7QBR 18 for 29 173yards 6.0ypp. Eagles win 23-13.
Miami. 69.4QBR 15 for 27 236yards 8.7ypp 1INT. Eagles win 34-27.

2002, Tenn. 72.9QBR 18 for 36 212yards 5.9ypp 3TD 2INT. Eagles lose 27-24.
Jacksonville 84.5QBR 28 for 48 230yards 4.8ypp 2TD. Eagles lose 28 to 25.

2001, KC. 112.5QBR 18 for 26 269yards 10.3ypp 2TD 1INT. Eagles win 23-10.

2000, Pitt. 69.7QBR 26 for 55 213yards 3.9ypp 2TD. Eagles win 26-23.
Cleveland. 137.5QBR 23 for 36 390yards 10.8ypp 4TD. Eagles win 35-24.

Not including mopup duty from 1999.

With the exceptions of the opener against the Texans (no build up to travel on the road), McNabb trashed KC once and Cleveland twice in these instances, but most of the games against apparent inferior AFC teams while the Eagles were on the road seem to have shown McNabb as having inferior statistics. Likewise, even if McNabb did poorly, the Eagles did not necessarily lose those 'trap' games.

Granted, it's not a very large sample size to really determine this, and perhaps studing poor NFC teams while the Eagles are on the road could provide a better sample. Considering his road performace against St. Louis, and this could be an indicator that the 'trap games' were more of a McNabb issue than a Reid issue, or an Eagle issue.

Not sure if I can go along with that line of thinking, Lyte. The Jags were HORRIBLE on Sunday. I had never seen a team look that bad - even the Lions occasionally gave a fight. but anyway, I think your thinking might be flawed.

For example, last year, if Akers does his job and the defense learns how to tackle, they win that game. But even then, Reid's teams don't really do well out on the west coast (further demonstrated by the loss to the Chargers that year (where McNabb threw for over 400, btw) and the title game loss to Arizona the year before).

The Cincy game wasn't really that much of a "trap", since they played at Baltimore the week after. McNabb went on a tear after he was benched, though. You can absolutely blame him, however, for not knowing the OT rules.

The other games, he's been OK - not enough for me to scream that playing inferior AFC opponents on the road is a trap for them - the whole thing is born out of Reid's record against AFC teams on the road, and this includes games where McNabb wasn't playing (such as the 8-8 year when they lost to NE, or the Garcia year where they lost to Indy, for example).

Washington at St. Louis (and at Detroit as well) is somehow a tough spot for them. It's been that way for a couple of years now. Add in looking ahead to next week's encounter, and it can be expected, though the Skins are nowhere near good enough to overlook anyone at this point.

RE: Washington at St. Louis (and at Detroit as well) is somehow a tough spot for them. It's been that way for a couple of years now. Add in looking ahead to next week's encounter, and it can be expected, though the Skins are nowhere near good enough to overlook anyone at this point


That ain't no shit.

I don't think people look at McNabb as Joe Montana, but he is probably the best QB this franchise ever had.

Based on overall numbers, total wins, playoff appearances, then McNabb should get a healthy applause from the fan base this Sunday. However, what is going to kill him in that regard is that people will remember how much of weirdo he was. The dude has personality flaws. And if he wasn't so over-sensitive, then he could have been a much better player and leader for this team. Not only did the Eagles' front office sell him short in a lot of years with the lack of skill guys around him, but McNabb has as much of himself to blame for not reaching his potential because of the martyr-like approach and defensive attitudes that he exuded on a daily basis.

When I think back on Mcnabb as an Eagle right now, the thing that continually pops into my head was that lame-ass, goofball, jump into the window that he did entering Dallas Stadium last year. A microcosm of his behavior/personality summed up right there.

Julamy, help me with this, but is Donovan Mcnabb the most uncool black brother you have ever seen? He is for me....And it's not even close!

Here you go NEAG

I LOLed at NEAG

LOLed at Lyte too, just not as much.

I think McNabb would have been much happier to have played another position or even another sport. Is there another position in sports that receives as much attention as a quarterback? It goes far beyond what's on the field. People know the details of a quarterback's life.

How accurately could you describe Brian Westbrook's life? How about Andre Iguodala? Or even somebody who's visible in Philly like Mike Richards? Hell, Ryan Howard is a megastar and we barely know anything about his life compared to McNabb.

I don't think McNabb was ever ready to be under the microscope, which made Philly the worst possible place for him to play. Of course, not many people could have dealt with the endless criticism, and I often felt like he was one of the few people in the league who could deal with it and keep playing. Then again, had he won a Super Bowl, no one would have said anything for a long time.

Said it before and I'll say it again... F McFlab... He’s the enemy now. Knock his block off. Hope he gets KOd on Sunday.

If Andre Waters were on this team…, Wes Hopkins or even B Dawk, Mc5 would be fkn toast this Sunday.

Get a backhoe and bury him.

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This right here is a perfect lesson in how to take a quote out of context to make it sound way worse than it is.

“Honestly, I think I will be more cheered,” McNabb said today on his weekly radio show in on ESPN-980 in Washington. “No matter what the situation is, right now I’m with a different team and it’s a rival and it wasn’t my choice. We had a successful 11 years. We had a lot of exciting plays and obviously some down times, but there were more exciting things in 11 years.”

McNabb also reiterated that “I wasn’t the one looking to get out.”


That last sentence is ridiculously out of context and just gives red meat to the fanbase. The first quote is totally fine, but everyone's beef with McNabb is that he doesn't shut up. He plays the victim and takes it to far. Well, what happens if he doesn't play the victim? Then the media will have to break out their white-out to make him appear as though he's up to his usual antics, and then the masses can have something to bitch about.

That last sentence is totally disconnected from what comes before it. It did not occur in chronological order in the interview. Most likely, later on, someone probably asked him, "Are you relieved to be out of Philadelphia?" and he said, "I wasn’t the one looking to get out," but when you edit the piece to tack that on to his first quote, it just looks like sour grapes.

This is really bullshit journalism, but it's exactly what everyone wants to see.
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I do wish he'd either say "Yeah, i wanna kick their asses and fuck them"

"I wasn't looking to leave" is a shot across the brow to Skins fans....

Are you serious?

Now you guys are starting in on him, too?

This is hilarious!

Watching and evaluating him in an NFL game now would accomplish a lot.

Oh no doubt, but I brought that up as a point to what we could see in mop-up duty - not much. Rather he was given more of a framework than just 2 quarters, or the end of a game where everyone's trying not to get hurt, but what can you do.

Crap, wrong thread. Oh well.

Glad I could provide a laugh but yeah, man, I'm serious.

Say the shit and get it over with. You know he wants to win badly, I know he wants to win badly, so just say it. "I wasn't trying to leave" makes part of me think he'd still rather be there than in DC trying to make it work.

Just yesterday he came out and said no deal had been done but that he wanted to end his career in Washington.

You know how many fat, overpaid, lazy bums have come to DC to end their career? haha - really, a majority of the roster for the last ten years has been veterans on one last leg that Danny wayyyyy the fuck overpaid. I just hope he's not another. I don't think he is, but I see what some of you are saying that he talks too much.

Shit, Portis said yesterday that he "roots for Vick whenever he plays, even when he plays us"....what the fuck is that shit supposed to mean Clinton?

I honestly believe Portis is mentally retarded.

Does he still do stupid shit like wearing giant sunglasses and a wig for interviews? I'm still trying to understand why anyone would find that amusing past the age of 6.

McNabb can't move on and will never move on from anything because the media know that if you ask him the same question 20 times in a row, he'll eventually cave and give you a stupid answer that will generate controversy. He just doesn't understand the art of stonewalling, and I think that speaks to Reid's failure as a teacher because nobody lies and stonewalls better than the Fat Man.

Agree on Portis, hell I agree on all of it. But yes, Portis still shows up wearing all kinds of goofy shit.

Here's a story....All the shit going on with Haynesworth, won't practice, can't practice, headache, upset stomach...blah blah bullshit...anyway, everyone's on edge and us fans are expecting his ass to be shipped out any minute and it's fine with us. Well Portis shows up to Hayneworth's interview and puts tape over his mouth that says something (what I can't remember)...the reporter asks another question, they do this again with a different message. Finally after about 4-6x of this, the interviews over. Dumb shit like that. Portis is ALWAYS siding with the shitheads, no matter what, he likes to be controversial. Yes, I think he's dumb. Immature, stupid, retarded, drama, etc...yes, he's dumb.

And as many 1k yard backs as Shanny has had, I don't see him sticking around after this season. I hope anyway.

To go a step further, the Skins have LOOOOOONNNNGG needed to change the entire fucking setup. Danny finally got a GM and a respected Coach. If he doesn't tinker, I'm hoping in 3 years we can something that half asses resembles the Skins I grew up with. If not, we'll just get more of the same.

Back to your regularly scheduled Iggles Program....

Rskn:
Just curious, are you a DC metro resident? Reason I ask is because you come across with a bit more piss & vinegar than I'm used to seeing out of that fanbase.

No harm in bringing the story from the other side of the fence, especially in this thread.

I don't think McNabb was ever ready to be under the microscope, which made Philly the worst possible place for him to play. Of course, not many people could have dealt with the endless criticism, and I often felt like he was one of the few people in the league who could deal with it and keep playing. Then again, had he won a Super Bowl, no one would have said anything for a long time.

I think that sums it up, to some extent. It's not that he couldn't handle the pressure or the criticism...he just whined about it.

Vince Young tried to off himself because he couldn't take it. Ryan Leaf tried to beat up a reporter. Countless guys have washed out because they couldn't handle the workload, the pressure, the responsibility, and the spotlight.

He did it all and played well, for the most part, throughout. I have no idea why he was targeted so often, but it just enforced his victim mentality, gave him an excuse to whine, and he played through it.

It was annoying more than anything.

On the flip side, you have a guy like Jake Delhomme, for example. He never had a problem facing the criticism, admitting when he made mistakes, blaming himself for things going wrong, etc. He was more of a breath of fresh air in that regard, but he also sucked at football.

Ideally you want the guy who is both not a baby and good at football, but given the choice between the two, give me McNabb.

For EAG...the most cringe-worthy moment of the last decade, possibly:

Born in Cali. Watsonville to be exact. About 15 miles SE from Santa Cruz. Pops moved us east to be closer to his family in Ohio. Back then, I had a choice of either the Bengals, Browns or the Joe Gibbs coached Skins, with the Hogs, and all the glory. Needless to say I chose Hogs. (not in my personal life though) :)

I've sinced moved back to Cali. I tend to have a Cali attitude in most things I do. I'm proud to say I lived in Silver Spring for about 4 years right after high school and before I finished college. Kept trying to get a job at Georgetown....never did work out. (damn drug tests) lol - but overall I've lived in the DC metro for a total of 5 years. The rest has been spent in Ohio and California.

That could explain why as some have said, I don't come off like the normal doosh Skin fan you guys are used to meeting....I apologize on behalf of them. We're not ALL that unintelligent.

Watching that game where Donovan danced like that, my first thought was "What the fuck was that?"

I could see where fans might cringe. I'm sure it was supposed to funny or something and just didn't come off the way he had hoped, but it looked pretty stupid.

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