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On the flip side, you have a guy like Jake Delhomme, for example. He never had a problem facing the criticism, admitting when he made mistakes, blaming himself for things going wrong, etc. He was more of a breath of fresh air in that regard, but he also sucked at football.

He played in Carolina. They probably have like 5 sports writers, and 4 of them are either covering the ACC or NASCAR. Him admitting failure is different than if Kolb were to admit failure over 4 weeks. How long would he have lasted in NYC?

The problem is, when you're admitting failure and the results stay the same week after week, what can you do? We hear that from Reid every week.

I still can't wrap my head around how a guy who is the best QB (statistically) in franchise history can have such a reaction. I haven't listened to any ST radio, and I have to think they've done a job of vilifying McNabb to incredible heights, like maybe running an entire show on his abuse of dog toys.

I don't think media has much of a role in it. Some people are just better at handling criticism than others.

I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, but some people get that criticism is part of the job and others feel like they are being "attacked", as though it's personal.

You'd be surprised at how the masses will listen to some shit on the radio and allow it to control their actions.

Look no further than beck or limbaugh. Granted, it's a much bigger scale, but it's the same idea. Sadly, the majority of people are dumb.

Dumb, no, lazy, yes. Most people are smart enough to not concern themselves with crap that makes 'smart' people batshit crazy about things. BMA for example. He tunes in to Rush and Beck, takes his communion with insanity and thinks the world is going to hell in a handbasket unless we stop the gays and the minorities from ruining the USA. I wouldn't say he's dumb, just too lazy to think for himself.

A lot of folks are like that. People get a home, mortgage, family, pay their taxes, work their jobs and basically want to be left alone. They don't give a crap if a couple in California want to get married even though they are both dudes, or that the water level has risen .1% over the last whatever months due to what scientists say is global warming. They just want to go to work, and live their lives. That's not stupid at all.

That does translate to football though, in that a lot of owners, coaches and players feel the same way. They get their season ticket holders to cash in, they get their contracts and they show up. Beyond that, they don't care. Why should then? It's not like they are getting paid to care about inner cities being morally bankrupt, or a new measure is being presented to legalize pot. They just want to do what they're there to do, get their paycheck and go home to a private life. Sure, we hear about the Ben's and the Jones' and the Burress' running around to clubs and getting in trouble. There's 53 dudes on each team, 32 teams, and that doesn't count IR'd dudes, so we're talking over 1700 players each season. Then there's the coaches, trainers, administration and other guys around the organization. They all just want a paycheck. Sure, some are crazy empassioned folk that want to win more than their paycheck. Sometimes enough of those guys get together and create a special team that's good enough to exceed talent (Patriots from the early part of this decade, Saints last year, etc). But most teams like Cleveland, Jacksonville, Denver, Buffalo etc are there just to pick up a paycheck and call it a day. Considering how long an NFL career is, I don't think they're dumb for that either.

Okay, so maybe the "majority" aren't dumb like I said. Not sure I mean't that actually half the population is dumb yet that's what i said, so i stand corrected.

You do agree tho, that people can absolutely follow some shit they heard on radio or tv, without research, and react to it, right?

How long would he have lasted in NYC?

Philly is a thousand times worse than NYC. Yes, NYC has a much larger population, but there are 9 professional NY metro teams in the four major sports versus 4 for Philly. Right from the start, the fanbase is diluted and coverage has to be spread across every team. (Hell, a NY Islander could probably murder someone and we'd never hear about it.) The entire city doesn't turn on Plaxico because at least half of them don't care about the Giants. Plus, this is the media capital of the world, the economic capital of the country, a major global market in entertainment, fashion, food, etc. Point being, a lot of major shit happens here on a daily basis, so there typically isn't room on the front page for the follies of some local athlete. On the other hand, sports are the biggest thing to happen to Philly. Yeah, the city has a lot going for it, but local sports are on everyone's mind all the time, so anything that happens to an athlete will be front page news.

You do not see people decorating their houses when a NY team makes a playoff run, but the whole friggin' Delaware Valley is painted red every October.

Even though the NY media has a reputation for being tenacious, they just don't have enough pages to commit to the coverage of athletes.

And I disagree with f-dallas because while the situation has always ultimately been McNabb's fault for not keeping his mouth shut, the media have been a very accomplice to the crime, bemoaning the things he says while continuing to pester until he says something stupid. Controversy sells papers/generates clicks/garners ratings, and they knew McNabb was a goldmine waiting to happen. Ask McNabb the same question enough times in enough different ways and he'll eventually crack and say something stupid. Moreover, if you give coverage to any idiot in a prominent position who criticizes McNabb, that's a bonanza that you can milk for years and continually ask McNabb to respond to it.

And we are the stupid people who repeat this bullshit, link to it, read it, and link to it, so we deserve our share of the blame.

Talon:

Population of NYC: 8,391,881
Population of Philly: 1,547,297

That's more than five times the population.

If 1/4 of the population in NYC cares about a sport team, that's still 1/3 MORE than the total population in Philadelphia.

Tell me again how having so many sport franchises dilutes the number of people that give a crap about sports in NYC.

*stats found from 2000 cenus from wiki

He tunes in to Rush and Beck, takes his communion with insanity and thinks the world is going to hell in a handbasket unless we stop the gays and the minorities from ruining the USA. I wouldn't say he's dumb, just too lazy to think for himself.
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Have you lived in NY Lyte?

Just wondering.

The media in NY has way more to cover and is far less retarded then in Philly.

And I absolutely think McNabb would have had way less BS to deal with if he played in NY and produced at the same level.

The media and the fans are far more rational in NY.

Munch, I went to college at Fordham for four years, lived in and around NYC for another 4 before moving out to Cali. So yeah, I'm pretty familiar with how the media deals with players and whatnot. For years I used to pick up the paper and read the crap that was dedicated to NY Sports teams on the back pages on my way into work. It's ridiculous compared to how sports are treated out here.

Sure, Philly is unified by it's sports teams, and there are football fans that don't give a shit about baseball, or basketball fans that think hockey is for toothless white folk who can't play real sports, so you do get a divide that way, but that 8 million is just NYC proper, not counting Long Island, North Jersey and Southern Conn. Philly gets South Jersey and surrounding areas but it's still not in the same ballpark of volume of people.

I'm not saying Philly doesn't have a ton of loyal fans, just that NYC' pot to pick fans from is exponentially larger.

I'm not saying Philly doesn't have a ton of loyal fans, just that NYC' pot to pick fans from is exponentially larger.

Your math is missing one crucial variable: most of the people who live in New York City proper have moved here from somewhere else. Yeah, a lot of us like football, but we like our hometown teams. This is why you have so many bars dedicated to specific out-of-town franchises.

It's very rare that I meet a New York native who is my age, and when it happens, everyone has a million questions for that person because it's such a novel experience to meet a native who still lives here.

That's alien to my experience in NYC then, most of the people I knew from college and from working after college were people that grew up in and around the NYC area. Most of the people that were 'out of towners' were nicknamed "Chicago" or "Texas" or whatever place they were from instead of their real names.

The media and the fans are far more rational in NY.

NTFF, elitist fuckface. Where is the NY Post printed again?

I dunno about elitist. I lived longer in Delaware then in NY.

You got me on the post. I never read it.

Wiki states that in 2008, the NY Post contributed roughly 625,000 papers a day. That's about 7.5% of the population of NYC, and it's still a top 10 selling newspaper in the country.

The articles in it are akin to tabliods and TMZ rants. I'd say a good share of it is related to sports.

That's alien to my experience in NYC then, most of the people I knew from college and from working after college were people that grew up in and around the NYC area.

Well, you went to Fordham, whose student body is primarily comprised of people from New York, so your experience was likely skewed.

The last company I worked for had 30 full-time employees. Of those 30, only 3 were native New Yorkers.

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The last company I worked for had 30 full-time employees. Of those 30, only 3 were native New Yorkers.

When I worked for Citibank, of the scores of people that I worked with I'd say roughly 80-90% of them were either from NY or the greater NY/NJ area. When I worked for Metlife, only the head of our office was from outside of the surrounding area (he was from Wisconsin), the other 20 or so people were from the NY/NJ/Conn area. Living in Brooklyn, people were amazed that I was from NJ and wanted to live in Brooklyn. It was only in Weehawken (and thusly Hoboken) that I met people from outside the area, though that was mainly because it was a post-college town where people who went to colleges in and around NYC would live after college when they started working in NY.

The fact is, NYC is a huge metropolis, and people will get all sorts of experiences living there. Not excusing your experiences as incorrect, just alien to what I experienced, and totally valid.

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Real thoughtful, original article from the snarky woman writer at ESPN.com on how horrible Philadelphia fans are.
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Mikey Miss talked about her today on 97.5....

Easy to write about Philly fans if UR a fkn hack.

Hope it snows when we go to the game on the 17th so we can throw iceballs at Santa....

I'm not sure what your point is regarding the NY Post. Yes, they have a sports section.

But you're missing the point that there is a lot of major news happening here every day, more so than happens in Philly. One team does not dominate the public consciousness like it does in Philly (or almost every other city), and therefore, one athlete never dominates the public consciousness in New York City.

Something that also cannot be forgotten here is the fact that New York is rife with celebrities, but Philly only has a relative few, so professional athletes become the celebrities and receive the same degree of media coverage.

To be perfectly honest, off the top of my head, I can't even name a Ranger outside of Lundquvist. I'm sure several Rangers like to go out and party, but nobody makes a big deal of it like they did in Philly with Richards and Lupul.

Stephon Marbury was considered an ass, but his antics never made it off the sports pages into the actual news unlike those of Allen Iverson.

Mark Sanchez made plenty of really stupid quotes last year, quotes that made McNabb seem like Einstein, but they were never really covered outside of sports shows.

It. Just. Isn't. The Same.

It's not even close.

I’ve been a lurker here for like a million years. I grew up in Philly, went to Fordham, moved to Delaware (where I had seasons in 724 from ’95-‘01) and now live in NYC, so I feel that I have a pretty balanced view of the fans of both cities. Talon, Lyte and munch make some great points. In fact I think that in some sense you’re all saying very similar things.
If mcnabb made the left-handed pass that eli made on Sunday, he would be vilified in philly forever. In nyc, it was quickly put to bed by the time the jets game and Yanks/Sox game came on the tube on Sunday night.
And to Talon’s out-of-town point, I have spent entire months on the UWS without seeing a single Giants jersey or t-shirt or hat. Everyone here is from somewhere else. And the opposite is often true in the Delaware Valley. Everyone seems to pretty much be local.
FWIW, on Sunday, I think that the comparison to mcnabb coming back to philly has a pretty good correlation to Iverson’s return to the whachovia center as a nugget. Considering the fact that AI had a much more prickly relationship with the same fan-base, and was warmly received, I have a pretty good feeling that #5 will be cheered at the intros. From there on out, it's Eagles-Redskins.
Keep up the good work boys.

Dude, where do you go to watch the games?

dive bar on w. 96th. how about you?

I sorta run the show at Shorty's on Sundays. It gets packed to the gills, but there's no Philly bar in NYC with atmosphere that rivals it, and the food and beer selection is unbeatable.

Come in some time. I'm the guy at the table by the door wearing the "Fire Andy Reid" jersey.

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