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A longtime poster puts Eli Manning at the bottom of this list.

Do you agree with him?

Or do you agree with me that Eli Manning is a the top of this list of quarterbacks?

I guess you need to clarify...this season? career? playoffs? I mean you have 2 young guys and 2 old veterans so the career category is not valid. Looking at last half of the season and/or playoffs is a different thing.

If you are just looking at who I would want as my QB next season I would go Stafford, Manning, Newton and then Vick. If you look at who I would want as my QB for the next 5 years I would go Stafford, Newton, Manning, and then Vick.

The texting conversation was based on present day

I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that Eli is not at the top of that list right now. Who would you want going forward is a different question.

I think Eli is hitting his prime right now, so if I had to go with another 5 years, I'd go with him (if he does have a fault, it might be his inconsistency over his career, but he's been really good this year, and clutch on an unbelievable pace). Stafford, when healthy, is knocking on the glass ceiling of the top tier.

Newton will be a beast in a few years.

is this a serious question? eli, now and moving forward.

Fantasy Football:

- Stafford
- Cam
- Vick
- Eli

Real Games:

- Eli
- Stafford
- Cam
- Vick

All those guys have more talent than Eli, but Eli is more durable and gets better in the clutch. The other guys all have major question marks, IMO.

Who is this long time poster...Tattoo?

Pretty sure "Who is this long time poster...Tattoo?" always equals Seth for NEAG

NTF.


And when I FIRST discussed this w/ NEAG, it was not "present day" as in post SB No.II for Eli, rather weeks ago.

And I stand by the fact Id rather have Cam or Staffy over Eli as my teams QB, but thats because I think they're more talented.

I think Eli has a good amount of luck, and thats not terrible or a slight- but my GOD the guy gets lucky on a ton of those passes this season- ESPECIALLY the playoff games.

I also think ya have to hand it to the guy & 1 thing I have changed my stance on is his being Clutch.


NEAG- do you think that Eli has always been an elite QB?

I sure as hell do not.

And to hear former players speak, of which there's been no shortage of this wk- it seems many others had the same take on Eli....no feeling that he would take you down the field and win you the game.

Thats changed, and THAT is why he's gone leaps and bounds from where he was, when ranking QB play in the league.

My 2 cents.
Sorry to piss on your contrived lil thread here.

If Eli weren't so obviously ugly Id think NEAG wanted to be his pig bottom or suck em off or something the way he's hammerin this theme home.


Fact is- Eli was NEVER considered a top QB by ANYone until THIS YEAR. If you say otherwise NEAG, I don't know what the hell you're watching.

He distinguished himself in the PLAYOFFS- and in those games, he DID have a ton of luck.

FFS they were BOOOING HIM in the Meadowlands this season in wk 14 or whatever it was when the Skins beat em to put them at 7-7.

Well, I think Stafford definitely wins the Twink Category, at least for those that are "repulsed sexually" by black men, if that's not the case Cam could be the winner.

For the record, Eli is two dropped Patriot passes (Assante and Welker) away from being a 2 time Super Bowl loser, and the 2nd time would have been by failing to put up more than 15 (or so) points on the League's 31st ranked defense.

3 sure fire INTs in the SF game too- but luck was on his side.

here's the bottom line: when the giants got the ball back on their own 10 with four minutes to go, did anyone NOT think he would drive down the field for a score? i sure as hell knew it was coming, and the ridiculous pass to manningham seemed as natural as rain. didn't even need to see the replay to know that fucker kept both feet in.

that is what makes eli elite and it has nothing to do with welker dropping a pass or any other "what ifs".

Eli has more championships and a better playoff record than his older brother.

He is also UNDEFEATED in road playoff games.

Eli = Clutch.

I fucking hate him.

I'm not saying he's not elite. I just think the standard of coronating him because he's won 2 Super Bowls (shit, I didn't even mention that ridiculous Tyree play) needs to be mitigated with the circumstances of the game. It's not quite like Montana hanging 55 on Denver.

that is what makes eli elite and it has nothing to do with welker dropping a pass or any other "what ifs".

Exactly. Almost every game in the playoffs this year could've come down to a handful of plays going in the other direction. SF doesn't even make it to the title game if Gregg Williams decides to make sure Vernon Davis is triple covered; Baltimore maybe wins if Cundiff doesn't shank; Baltimore doesn't make it to the title game if Jacoby Jones doesn't fumble.....we could go on and on. The Giants' fortune shouldn't be the only one that gets expanded on.

SF had a chance to win in regulation, on the final drive, but couldn't get it done. No one talks about that. Lee Evans learns how to fall down and it's Baltimore in the Super Bowl. At some point, you have to execute, and the Giants have executed when they needed to, and the other teams they played didn't.

Yeah but Brady's won 3 Super Bowls by 3 points each. He could just as easily be 0-5. Obviously luck comes into play in close games.

He is also UNDEFEATED in road playoff games.

That's what drives me nuts the most about him. It's not that he's been clutch this year, but he's strung together a record of winning in another team's stadium, in the playoffs.

It drives me nuts to say this stuff about Eli, and (even more) to want him to play on this team. He can bring Coughlin with him.

Yeah but Brady's won 3 Super Bowls by 3 points each. He could just as easily be 0-5. Obviously luck comes into play in close games.

It's the old Parcells thing, you are what the record says you are. Brady, it could be said, owes all his SB victories to Vinatieri... and it can be said just as easily that if Asante and Welker didn't choke he'd be 5-0 and the unquestioned GOAT. Neither is true, he's 3-2 and so be it.

I remember almost getting attacked by a couple Eagles fans (not on this board) when I said Eli was a better QB than Vick at the start of this season. Those guys haven't been too quick to respond to e-mails this week.

Michael Vick made himself a lot of money that Monday night in DC.

I disagree with that. When Montana and Young won, there was no doubt or "luck" involved. When Aikman won, there was a tiny amount of "luck".

I've never seen a guy who's success depended on so many ridiculous catches, a Miles Austin drop (otherwise no playoffs), lots of errors in the SF game (who lost more than the Giants won), had several dropped balls from normally reliable WRs from NE etc. Let's be clear, here was a TEAM that got hot late and had several lucky things happen for them.

If you think that Eli without that front four wins anything you are mistaken. He played GB, a terrible defense, SF an excellent one that didn't let him show his "talent", the Patriots who were ranked 32 and 15th in scoring defense.

Yes, Eli has delivered in the clutch. So is Roethlisberger. To call him elite is to say he belongs with Brady, his older brother, Montana, etc. C'mon.

Big Ben too is ELIte

I don't think there can be any question in terms of NFL accomplishments, Eli Manning has to be at the top of this particular list.

When Montana and Young won, there was no doubt or "luck" involved.

Really? What if Dwight Clark's fingertips don't extend that last half-inch in the 1st NFC championship for Montana? What if John Taylor drops the ball just like Welker did in Montana's 2nd(?) Super Bowl? Or what if they actually called Deion Sanders for pass interference in Young's NFC championship?

But I do know what you mean, and my point is that "what if's" are meaningless. You could probably come up with a half-dozen of them that would re-create the outcome of any sporting event.

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